Student - 22 januari 2014

Studenten beschuldigen elkaar van racisme

Nicolette Meerstadt

Een bericht op de Facebookpagina ‘Wageningen Student Plaza’ is ontaard in een ruzie tussen Nederlandse en Aziatische studenten.

Wageningen Student Plaza (WSP) is een groep met ruim 8000 leden die vooral wordt gebruikt om spullen te kopen en oproepen te doen binnen Wageningen. Student Dan Xu plaatste er een bericht om te klagen over zijn postpakket dat was opengemaakt door iemand op de Bornsesteeg. Daar kwamen een aantal reacties in het Chinees op, waarna een Nederlandse student een filmpje van South Park plaatste over onverstaanbare Chinezen. Al snel viel het woord ‘racisme’ en volgden er nog 350 reacties.

De Japanse Nonalaki Kudomo, die een half jaar in Wageningen heeft gestudeerd, voelt zich diep beledigd door het filmpje en de toon van de discussie. ‘Toen ik die reacties zag waar het Chinese accent wordt bespot, vond ik dat gewoon respectloos gedrag’, mailt ze. ‘In mijn cultuur maken we nooit grapjes over een bepaalde groep mensen, en bovendien had het commentaar niks te maken met het oorspronkelijke onderwerp.’

Zelf reageerde ze met een aantal filmpjes over Nederlanders (1 en 2).

Nederlandse student Hugo Hegeman neemt het allemaal niet zo hoog op. De discussie is volgens hem totaal uit de hand is gelopen. WSP is een groep waar je van alle mensen reacties wilt krijgen, dus het is raar als mensen meteen overgaan op het Chinees, zo meent hij. ‘Er werd een grappig South Parkfilmpje geplaatst, met als stille hint “ik snap er niks van”, en dat werd door een gering aantal mensen als uitermate racistisch opgevat. Je moet sarcasme met een korrel zout kunnen nemen en vooral niet persoonlijk opvatten, wat hier dus wel is gebeurd.’

Nonalaki is het totaal niet met hem eens. ‘Dat zogenaamde sarcasme heeft een sterk discriminerende intentie, vind ik. En ik ben niet de enige. Ik heb berichten gekregen van een aantal Nederlandse studenten die hun excuses aanbieden en zeggen dat ik dit beter kan negeren. Ik vind het stuitend dat ze ook nog onschuldig doen en zich verschuilen achter Nederlandse humor.’

Dan Xu, de jongen die het oorspronkelijke bericht plaatste, begrijpt niet hoe er zo’n discussie heeft kunnen ontstaan. ‘Ik was heel verdrietig en van streek, ik vind het gênant en onbeschoft wat er is gebeurd.’ Hij wilde anderen alleen waarschuwen om goed op hun post te letten. Hij is kwaad over de eerste video, en hij vond de toon van de meeste reacties aanvallend en soms ook racistisch tegen Japanners, hoewel Nonalaki zich ook enkele onaardige dingen over Nederlanders heeft laten ontvallen. Maar vooral begrijpt hij niet waarom geen enkele Nederlander een weerwoord gaf of op de negatieve en beledigende toon. 

Het bericht staat nog op Facebook, maar de discussie is inmiddels wel uitgedoofd. Dan Xu wil het pas verwijderen als alle betrokkenen hun excuses aanbieden.

Re:acties 9

  • maria

    So let me ask you something. Is saying "miaw" or "ni hao" because if my eyes is something racist or just to make fun?

    So if I said "bule" or "bekantan" because of your nose. Is it racist or just to make fun?

    I am Indonesian chinese btw.

  • Johan Veldhuis

    I think both sides have to take lessons here:
    The chinese that they should not react oversensitive to this thing. Calling something racist is a very serious accusation and you should give it a really good thought before using these words. Also saying: "I will not remove the post on facebook till everyone has offered their excuse", clearly is an oversensitive reaction, which people will not take seriously. At the same time dutch people should understand chinese people are quickly offended and should pay some attention to the emotions. Not try to make things worse.

  • Johan Veldhuis

    I am surprised by the overly sensitive reactions, such as: "i will not remove the post until everyone has offered their apology". I mean, this shows no self-reflection at all. I mean is there no sense of humour, is not asked: am I reacting a bit oversensitive to this?

  • Peeeeet

    Annnnd another stage to bash.

    Dumb humor yes, but girl is bashing hem Guus top...

  • Oscart

    Why some people is surprised about the dutch racism? or even the european racism? the Japanese girl is right, but we must to deal with that.

  • Nagasaki

    The difference is they came to the Netherlands, so they should adapt. Not the other way around. If u dont its oke, but dont start crying then when people make a harmless comment about it and accept it, like the dutch do.

  • Jan Smit

    It's just a public discussion...

    The 2 people that are offended are really naive and made they were part of letting the ridiculous discussion continue all along.

    Dan Xu should have ended this post when he saw that it went wrong.
    Something with being a man and not a crybaby.

  • A$AP T

    Sarcastic Racism can, and is often, used as an excuse to avoid any consequences of the use of conventional racism because of sarcastic racism widely being considered self-derogatory. This may even lead to sympathy for the user. This usually fails, however, because everybody fucking knows the difference between insulting oneself and insulting another just as they can tell piss from shit unless they're a complete fucking downer.

  • batman

    "dus het is raar als mensen meteen overgaan op het Chinees", i can't say how many dutch posts are there every day. we also see other international students using their own language there. it's our own choice, should not be bothered.

    yeah, you think the video is funny, but it was very inappropriate on that post. and everybody deserves respect.


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  • Romanian

    People from the Bible belt areas (Gelderland like Ede and Wageningen locals, but also some Utrecht like Veenendaal) are very rude indeed. I find people from Amsterdam and Noord-Brabant friendlier to foreigners. More multi-ethnic marriages and friendships there as well. Have you noticed how in Wageningen the expats stick together and sometimes with well-traveled Dutch people from the South or West of the Netherlands as well, while they are avoided by the locals like the plague? I'm still trying to recover after the abuse I experienced by locals in Gelderland.

    • Robin

      Romanian, you do realise how hypocritical you are right now? I'm from a Bible Belt village myself and quitte offended by this generalization. You're not a victim, you're the problem.

    • Romanian

      Due to my pale white skin White Middle Aged and Elderly People would always speak to me in Dutch assuming I'm Dutch and make funny gestures of dismissal when I said "I'm sorry I do not speak Dutch". So rude! Yet they avoid asking people of color or wearing Islamic veil even though they're born there and know perfect Dutch. I'm still trying to recover after the abuse I experienced by locals in Wageningen and Veenendaal, so White Dutch Protestant cliquey! People in Noord-Brabant are much more friendlier!

  • Giovani Roma

    Racism comes from an intolerance towards other cultures, The Dutch society is by far the most tolerant society. This is unfortunate situation,.

  • Marc G.

    zoooooow...ff in het nederlands antwoorden..kijken of er ook van andere landen net zulke gekken zijn.
    ik schaam me eigenlijk kapot voor dit soort volk! En al helemaal jammer dat ze zeggen dat dit bij de nederlandse cultuur hoort, terwijl ze helemaal niet de nederlandse "cultuur" vertegenwoordigen! Stelletje sukkels!!

    (for the people who can't read dutch: i will answer in dutch...let's check if there are the same kind of fools in other countries.
    i feel ashamed for this kind of people. And espacially when they say is it dutch culture, but they don't represent the dutch culture! Fools are they!!

  • Cóndor

    I do feel racist, even I am not an Asian.
    Make fun with your friends, don't post them in public you idiot!

  • Trzetrzelewska

    no manner and respect at all.
    Since when hurting people becomes fun?
    you Dutch students, well played.

  • Sander

    This just shows how dangerous it is to 'drop a hint' in intercultural discussions. Being from another culture implies a different frame of reference, so subleties and 'context' can easily get lost. Sad this happens even in such a diverse, intercultural and supposedly higher-education environment like Wageningen.

  • jason

    looks like the chinese, like the greek have long toes....

  • :((((

    Peter Miedema "Please don't bully her to much, she will, like is tradition commit suicide...
    17 January at 16:02 "

    Well guys, you were over the edge.
    I feel sympathy for Dan Xu, for that package, though nobody gave a shit.
    I feel sympathy for the Japaneses girl, such a poor girl, she must so love Wageningen, but I am afraid she will never hold that feel anymore. She deserves respect and apologizes.

    Keep making fun of it, you heartless Dutch guys, you make me sick! And you won't get more respect from other international students!

  • Stefan

    Racism should not even be brought up in this discussion. The only problem is that people from different countries have different flaws. No exceptions!

    Flaws are subjects of jokes. Some make carriers out of it, some try these jokes on facebook. We do it with our friends, no matter what place you come from. We usually relate to the "stupid" characteristic. Is that racist?

    I'm Romanian, almost everyone there is corrupt and steals. When you see me around Wageningen put your hand on your wallet and joke that it's still there. I will laugh about it. Many Asian people don't speak proper English and don't have a sense a humor. Now this is where it gets tricky. How do you make fun of these flaws when there is no way for them to realize that comedy is the only reason why you do it?

    So you can talk about stereotypes. Racism is something different. Look it up.

  • Grumpy cat

    although, those Dutch guys should make proper apologizes.
    And it was indeed, very wrong to post that video link on that post, and should not invite more naive friends add more colored here.Very wrong.
    Who started all those insult? Why blame the Japanese girl?????
    You guys need some self evaluation.
    And remember, we have a lot international students, watch out your voice.