Student - 27 februari 2020

Meanwhile in... Mexico

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On Valentine’s Day, there were large protests in various Mexican cities against violence against women. During the protests, buildings were vandalized and there were clashes with the police. WUR student Flavio Diaz Miron Rodriguez shares his views on the protests and the high level of violence against women in Mexico.

There are peaceful ways to make your voice heard

‘I don’t think the main problem in Mexico is violence against women. I think the real problem is organized crime, low levels of education and low levels of policing, which results in violence against everyone, including women. If we only focus on the female side, it won’t solve anything.

I totally disagree with the vandalism of the protestors. They break windows and daub graffiti on private and public buildings. I think there are peaceful ways to make your voice heard. Some protester groups don’t allow men to participate in their protests. They don’t want men to help them, but they do want us to change.

In big cities there is less of a macho culture because of the protests, social media and discussions on TV shows. Before, talking about macho culture would be taboo, but now it’s becoming more and more normal to discuss this. People are starting to question the macho role, the macho culture and inequality in Mexico.

The violence in Mexico affects me on a personal and psychological level. It makes me a bit sad that this is happening in my home country, and that it’s been happening for so long. Sometimes, the sheer impact of Mexico’s negative image is really overwhelming. When I talk about my home country with international friends, I always hear that the general image of Mexico is of a very violent place. Shows like Netflix’s Narcos don’t help Mexico’s image either. It feels like people are a bit paranoid about going to Mexico.’

Flavio Diaz Miron Rodriguez (31), an Urban Environmental Management MSc student, reflects on the current situation in his home country.
Flavio Diaz Miron Rodriguez (31), an Urban Environmental Management MSc student, reflects on the current situation in his home country.

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  • Dirk

    Article about this issue by the Dutch news: https://nos.nl/l/2326376.

    Having an opinion is good, but it should be based on facts. Especially if it is expressed in an opinion piece like this which may affect the opinions of others.

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  • Marco

    I was going to comment about how insightful this article is. However, some of these comments are truly horrifying. This person is just sharing their views and that should always be encouraged. I think the article is super insightful. The author is clearly expressing his feelings and thoughts regarding the issue and, unlike some of these comments, I think that this should be encouraged and everyone should be free to voice their thoughts. Wouldn’t these commenters feel that not being able to express themselves would only magnify the issue? I digress.. Thank you for taking the time and effort to share your thoughts Flavio!

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  • S.J

    The guy gives an opinion, y'all lose your shit. Whether you agree or not, let him have an opinion. Screaming like a little baby will not make him reconsider his views, no-one is going to change his mind if you just scream like a triggered woke baby "OMG THIS IS THE MOST OUTRAGES PIECE OF TEXT I HAVE EVER SEEN HOW CAN THE RESOURCE PUBLISH THIS". Well wake up little snowflake, people have varying opinions, and these opinions are allowed (especially in the netherlands). You might actually read an opinion that you not agree with, see it as a chance to broaden your perspective. If you think your point of view is the ONLY and CORRECT point of view, congratulations you have played yourself. Intelligence is seeing and understanding why people think certain things, regardless of which position you prefer. Thinking you know it all and people need to be schooled is for me a key sign you are not half as smart/right as you think. Get some perspective, stop thinking in this dogmatic way of RIGHT and WRONG.

    As the dutch say: "The truth is in the middle"

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  • Simon

    Clearly this is the typical entitled middle class Mexican. What a dumb statement.

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  • Flavio

    On average there were 95 murders a day in 2019; please tell me the gender proportion of that average and then you can tell me who gets killed the most. My opinion stays the same: men don't hate-to-death women, people hate-to-death people. I suspect that more men are getting killed than women in Mexico but please prove me wrong. Whatever happens the 9th of March, AMLO will shrug it off as he has always done with anti-violence protests from the time he was Mayor of Distrito Federal. Moreover, it appears that because I'm sceptical about the protest's effectiveness that makes me part of the violence spectrum? So if I'm not with you, surely I must be against you? Who is more violent, the sceptic or the antagonist? What happened to the right to dissent? And why is my dissent and freedom of conscience equal to violence?

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  • Dirk

    Sad that the resource, a journal of a university that supposedly condones gender inequity, publishes such a piece. The author expresses a very strong opinion on a very sensitive and sad topic, without providing factual support. If you just check the news or statistics from the government you will find that violence against women is a problem and is even on the rise, which clearly contradicts the statements made by the author.

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  • Feminist

    Noone should vandalise open spaces, not men, not women. Open spaces are the kitchens that we all belong in.

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  • notfromLatAm

    "VIOLENCE AND VANDALISM IS OK WHEN PEOPLE WHO I AGREE WITH DO IT"

    "YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO AN OPINION ABOUT THE SUBJECT BECAUSE YOU ARE A MAN"

    "ANYONE WHO IS HIGHER EDUCATED HAS TO HAVE THE SAME OPINION AS I DO"

    People in the comments have lost their minds

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    • fret

      @notfromLatAm:
      People who write comments in capital letters... have personality issues. or something is wrong in their mind...

      Why did you do this notfromLatAm??

  • Daniela

    Sadly, Flavio is displaying a very common macho behaviour in which violence against woman is constantly relativised, belittled, and even ignored. This is a very (if not the most) typical reaction to protests about this issue in Latin American. It is a shame that this sort of opinion has been given a much-larger-than-needed platform by Resource, showing a deep disregard/ignorance of the current LatAm context by Flavio and by whomever decided this was fit to share. This opinion has also triggered feelings of disappointment frustration from LatAm women like me who have been exposed to violence and gender-based discrimination our whole lives.

    Violence against women presents itself in many ways, ranging from bullying to sexual harassment to physical violence. Unfortunately, the opinion above certainly falls within the violence threshold.

    To anybody triggered by this opinion, don't lose hope, together we are strong!

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  • Felipe

    Relativizing violence towards women is a type of violence, therefore your entire column is extremely violent for women.

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  • Gabriela

    A pro pos del 8 de Marzo..... Ayer me encontre esta
    reflexion en la revista Resource y claro que celebro la libertad de expression y los espacios creados por instituciones como la Universidad de Wageningen para publicar diferentes puntos de vista. Sin emabargo, yo, Mexicana (igual que el autor) e inmigrante pr casi 8 anios, difiero total y absolutamente de esta reflexion y decidi re-reflexionar sobre ella, particularmente en esta pagina de la comunidad mexicana en Wageningen y en otros sitios de las redes sociales porque me parece que siendo hombre y estando lejos de Mexico, es muy facil decir “hay otras formas” (que igual, muchos hombres y mujeres en el pais lo piensan y lo dicen tambien).
    En realidad, lo de menos deberia ser “la imagen general (en el exterior) de Mexico como un pais violento”. Lo de mas y de verdad importancia es el hecho de que seamos ajenos (tanto mexicanos como la comunidad internacional) a la gravedad del feminicidio y la violencia contra la mujer que impera en nuestro pais. Cierto que hay muchos problemas dentro de los cuales estan los mencionados como “el crimen organizado, los bajos niveles de educion y las politicas deficientes”. Es cierto tambien que la violencia se ha incrementado y es generalizada en el pais, sin embargo, lo que es alarmante es el numero de feminicidios que se incrementa de una forma exponencial y que estos suceden por VIOLENCIA DE GENERO (entendemos la diferencia que existe con otros tipos de violencia, no?). El hecho de pensar que las protestas deben hacerse “pacificamente y que enfocarnos en el lado femenino no va resolver nada” y el interearse mas en el valor (material y/o cultural) de “las ventanas y los edificios publicos y privados”, a eso yo lo llamo indolencia. A eso, yo lo llamo hablar desde el privilegio de ser hombre (tal vez de clase media-alta) y de vivir en un pais con un indice de violencia tan bajo como los Paises Bajos. Me parece una lloriquera ridicula y una forma de pensar muy peligrosa la de “algunos grupos de manifestantes no aceptan hombres en sus protesta. Ellas no quieren ayuda de los hombres, lo quieren es que cambiemos”. CLARO QUE QUEREMOS QUE CAMBIEN! YA FUE SUFICIENTE DE MACHISMO, YA FUE SUFICIENTE DE UNA CULTURA PATRIARCAL QUE MATA MILES DE MUJERES POR EL SIMPLE HECHO DE SER MUJERES Y NO, NO NECESITAMOS SU AYUDA, EXIGIMOS SU RESPETO.

  • Alan Heiblum

    The subject's opinion is not based on objective information and reproduces typical conceptual errors. Resource should ask what criteria led to publish this poor material and allow an informed and coherent response about this very important issue. Finding good candidates would not be a problem, since there are many well-informed women working and studing in the campus.

  • Marisol

    I don´t know where to start with your text. I´m trying to figure out a polite and constructive way to talk to you. Yet you´re right about something: ... WE don’t want men to help us, but WE do want YOU to change...

  • Rocio Aguilar Fernandez

    It is very surprising that Resourse publishes such an erroneous opinion. Flavio, you simplified your analysis so much that you missed the point. One thing is the problem of the widespread violence as a result of organized crime. That is real and important. Another problem is the violence that women have to face in a daily basis. Sadly, this is normalized in Mexico. It comes in many forms and levels, from passive violence in conversations, to serious physical and sexual attacks. It is also present in all socioeconomic levels, and in all regions of the country. One fight is not detrimental to the other.

  • Ekatherina

    Flavio, I invite you to read this report for your country about the violence against women. https://www.inegi.org.mx/contenidos/saladeprensa/aproposito/2019/Violencia2019_Nal.pdf

    As you can see, there is a clear long-standing issue of violence against women. And, nobody is denying the clear criminal situation that countries in Latinoamerica are facing. Besides, I think there is a misunderstanding from your side what is violence. When we talk about violence, we don't talk only about killing, but it is also domestic violence causing physical and psychological damage, it is harassment, sexual abuse, etc. Violence against women is a systematic problem in Latinoamerican societies. And, by minimizing this problem, saying that "men don't hate-to-death women, people hate-to-death people" or "violence is against everyone, including women", you are undermining credibility to the real situation that 70% of women have to face day by day.

  • Cristina

    Appealing to the “vandalism” argument is just a way to down play the real problem which is violence against women in LA. Walls and monuments can be fixed but you cannot do that with those who have lost their lives simply because they are women. What these type of comments try to do is just perpetuate the status quo and not lose their privileges of violence over women.
    Also, pretty bad that Resource post this without a minimum filter.

  • Andrea

    “There are peaceful ways to make your voice heard”. I don’t think this is true in this particular context. The conversation that is being had right now in Mexico would probably not have happened had there not been so called “vandalism”. What is not mentioned (purposely or by ignorance) is that the "vandalous protest" took place a day after the brutal femicide of Ingrid Escamilla. Protests against gender-based violence have taken place for years and have only escalated recently, due to the impunity and lack of action from the society and the authorities.

    Every day, 10 women are killed in Mexico. “If we only focus on the female side”, it WILL solve something, it will keep more than half of the population safe. 10 mothers, sisters, daughters, wives, girlfriends and friends will be able to walk on the streets, go to school, go to work, have fun without the possibility of not returning home that day. Women in Mexico do not need men to “help them”, they need them not to patronise them, not to become the protagonists of the narrative, not to minimise their opinions and legitimate demands, not to harass them, not to abuse them, not to murder them.

    Violence against women in Mexico, and truthfully in the world, is largely perpetrated by relatives or romantic partners, people close to them, not organized crime. Indeed, actual data recovered by Mexican authorities show that around 80% of femicides are committed by men close to the victim. It stems from a deeply rooted belief that women are inferior to men.

    Meanwhile in… Wageningen, there is a ‘highly educated’ Mexican male who still doesn’t think that the main problem in Mexico is violence against women. Sadly, his opinion is not unlike that of a lot of other Mexican males. Perhaps he is right, the low levels of education are to blame.

  • Ekatherina

    Meanwhile in Mexico, 9 out of 10 women are killed every day!
    This is the reality, apparently uncomfortable for the author of this article.
    It is easy to write and talk out of knowledge. As a Latin woman, I found this article highly offensive because, in my country, like many other countries in LA, women are being killed massively. And, not necessarily by organized crime groups, but by family members, neighbors, police officers, and most important by the INDIFFERENCE OF THIS SOCIETY. It is a shame that a "well-educated" person wrote something like this. Therefore, is it a "low level of education" the real problem? I don't think so. In my opinion, the real problem is the invisibilization of violence against women. And no Flavio, we don't need your presence in the protests, we don't want your help, what we WANT and NEED is PLEASE men stop killing us!! And YES, we want men to change.

    • Ekatherina

      erratum: around 9 and 10 women are killed*


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